“Some readers will say that animals awaken fantasy, if not heresy, in those who attach moral significance to them. Yet often I think it is the more violent among us who are living out the fantasy, some delusion in which everything in nature is nothing and all is permitted.”

Matthew Scully

Matthew Scully - “Some readers will say that animals...” 1

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