“An elder was one who took your soul, your will, into his soul and his will. When you choose an elder, you renounce your own will and yield it to him in complete submission, complete self-abnegation" just like some Muslims who conseiders their sheikh as holy, some christians worship their (elder)”
This quote explores the profound spiritual and psychological relationship between an individual and a revered elder or spiritual guide. Dostoyevsky highlights the concept of surrendering one's personal will and soul to the authority of an elder, emphasizing a complete and total submission, which he terms "self-abnegation." The elder is not merely a figure of guidance but becomes an embodiment of the disciple's soul and will, integrating and directing them.
The comparison to Muslims who revere their sheikhs and Christians who venerate their elders underlines the universality of this phenomenon across different religious traditions. Dostoyevsky seems to suggest that such submission involves a powerful and intimate spiritual bond where the boundaries of individual identity dissolve in favor of collective religious obedience and faith.
Key points in the analysis:
- Total Surrender: The quote underlines the surrender of personal will as necessary to follow an elder, implying a loss of individuality in spiritual devotion.
- Elder as a Spiritual Vessel: The elder takes in the soul and will of the follower, acting almost as a spiritual container or guide whose authority is absolute.
- Religious Parallels: By referencing Muslims and Christians, Dostoyevsky situates this dynamic as a common feature in religious experience, highlighting both its universality and potential dangers.
- Self-Abnegation: The term captures the essence of the submission — a conscious negation of the self, which can be seen as both an act of faith and a potential risk for psychological autonomy.
Overall, this quote reflects Dostoyevsky’s nuanced view on faith, authority, and the tension between selfhood and obedience within spiritual traditions.
“With old liars who have been acting all their lives there are moments when they enter so completely into their part that they tremble or shed tears in earnest, although at that very moment, or a second later, they are able to whisper to themselves, "You know you are lying, you shameless old sinner! You're acting now, in spite of your 'holy' wrath.”
“The story is told that someone stopped Elder J. Golden Kimball on the street on one occasion. There had been a little difficulty in Elder Kimball's family that had become publicly known, and whoever it was who stopped him, no doubt with a mind to injure, said, ' Brother Kimball, I understand you're having some problems with one of your children.' His answer was, ' Yes, and the Lord is having some problems with some of his, too.”
“It's like this,' began the elder. 'All these sentences of hard labour in Siberian prisons, and formerly with flogging, too, do not reform anyone and, what's more, scarcely deter even one criminal, and, far from diminishing, the number of crimes are steadily increasing. You have to admit that. It therefore follows that society is not in the least protected, for though a harmful member is cut off automatically and exiled to some remote spot just to get rid of him, another criminal takes his place at once, and often, two, perhaps. If anything does protect society even today and indeed reforms the criminal himself and brings about his regeneration, it is, again, only the law of Christ, which reveals itself in the awareness of one's own consciousness. Only by recognizing his own guilt as a son of a Christian society, that is, of the Church, does the criminal recognize his guilt towards society itself, that is, towards the Church. The criminal today, therefore, is capable of recognizing his guilt only towards the Church, and not towards the State.”
“I once saw a convict who had been twenty years in prison and was being released take leave of his fellow prisoners. There were men who remembered his first coming into prison, when he was young, careless, heedless of his crime and his punishment. He went out a grey-headed, elderly man, with a sad sullen face. He walked in silence through our six barrack-rooms. As he entered each room he prayed to the ikons, and then bowing low to his fellow prisoners he asked them not to remember evil against him.”
“By the experience of active love. Strive to love your neighbour actively and indefatigably. In as far as you advance in love you will grow surer of the reality of God and of the immortality of your soul. If you attain to perfect self-forgetfulness in the love of your neighbour, then you will believe without doubt, and no doubt can possibly enter your soul. This has been tried. This is certain.”
“Embrace your enemy,” the elders urged, “to prevent him striking you.” (“Embrace your enemy,” Henry quipped, “to feel his dagger tickle your kidneys.”)”